Well, let's see how it works...
Recently I have been playing with some productivity apps, and these last days I started with Notion. I think is hard to be migrating from one tool to another, said that. Sorry Google, but I will not use you for now. Haha
Samuel Karim Hernandez Cardona
Remote Work Experience
I just started to work remotely cause COVID-19 pandemic
It's an interesting strategy, but I think it will affect the platform's experience. If I have to pay to get the most recent content or be updated for sure, I will find another free option. Yeah, you can produce high-value content and look for monetization; for that, we have medium or custom platforms selling courses or memberships to communities, and it's okay.
But, if I will have to pay to get noticed or see "the most special tweet" with "premium information." Thanks, but no thanks.
Good point, Samuel. I feel that Twitter's feed will remain the same. For content creators to reach more audiences, they'll need to share the tweets in public. It would work the same way how writers use a free newsletter to grow their audience and a paid one to monetize their content.
No prior remote work experience. Working from home only after the Coronavirus crisis.
Thanks for the post and sharing such detailed context.
- Unfortunately many jobs on remote job boards have location constraints and aren't truly global. But I have seen many websites implement filters around location. Remote Leaf is one such product and I have heard great reviews about it.
- From my personal experience, I would recommend interacting on Dev.to, Hashnode, LinkedIn, Twitter and Remote Clan of course :)
- Just to get the context right before I suggest/advice anything on the 3rd point, are you still working with the Mexican bank?
I have worked remotely on and off. For some time, back in 2014, I was freelancing and taking up remote projects. During the first half of 2019, I was working as a remote co-founder.
About your question, yes, I'm still working at that bank (its name is BBVA). I could say that it is a stable job but I want to land another one to increase my technical skills and economy remuneration
Ah, got it. I wanted to confirm this before suggesting something you can do for the long term.
I am a CS grad (2012) myself and worked as an engineer for 3 years with large companies. I have also worked on a few freelance projects then (remotely) post which I built my own startup. So I know a bit about the difference in hiring approaches (and work) for remote startups vs. in-office startups vs. large companies.
I am not sure if you already do this but would highly recommend spending time on:
- Contributing to open-source projects. Maybe you can start with small fixes or PRs and then eventually build & submit a feature. A simple goal to keep in mind would be building an attractive Github profile (activity, stars, recent contributions etc.)
- Writing articles for well-known publications like Smashing Magazine, Auth0 etc. Of course, this won't happen immediately and you will have to start small by sharing articles on communities & smaller publications.
- Building side projects and your own portfolio website. Writing actively about all of this on social media and communities like Remote Clan.
All of the above is going to take time, maybe 6-9 months or even more. But it will help you create a very solid profile for full-time or long-term freelance remote roles.
The fact is that the # of great remote dev roles is still not huge. People compete globally for such roles and hence, it becomes tough to stand out. The great thing is you already have a stable job and aren't in dire need of a new opportunity, so you can think of this as a one-time investment of time & effort.
Doesn't mean you stop applying to remote roles altogether, maybe you will find a good opportunity sooner but you focus your energy around building your online work profile more.
Let me know if this makes sense and if you want me to expand on anything specific.
Yes, I think it will be a relatively long way but it's better to start from now.
I have been stuck while I was attempting to write articles, sometimes there are a lot of data about that topic, so I think that I can't bring more in that way so I try to experiment more deeply or search for topics that can highlight better to my career. I'm not sure, do you have any advice about that?
Yeah, I have stopped for a while to send applications for jobs until I was practising for coding interviews, I will wait just a few weeks more and then maybe can find a good opportunity as you said. :D
Thanks for sharing! I found really interesting the Mental and physical health graph, I would like to be part of the significant spike in permanent remote work!
Cheers Samuel :)
I'm not sure if it's only me but I feel overwhelmed by the amount of work and communication from people who want to finish up everything before the holiday weeks. My challenge, therefore, is to squeeze them into my weekly schedule.
I have been working remotely for the last 8 years at multinational companies. I also give consultancy to company to help their transition to remote / hybrid workplace.
Hi @minededekoca, I'm in the same situation, but for me has been useful to divide my tasks and between some of them place a small time to talk with my family, play that videogame on the cellphone that we use to have just for fun, running for few minutes, and so on.
The point is to keep our mind relaxed as possible because that increases our productivity and at least in my case helps to accelerate the rate of work. Last week I tried to do all my work without those few minutes of rest and was horrible and difficult to end.
I hope this going to be useful for you!
I can totally imagine @minededekoca! I guess some amount of push back is also needed. But if not possible, Samuel's suggestion seems quite smart.
Yes, at Flexiple our tech team is remote. Further, we consistently work with freelancers from our network who are located across timezones. It is an interesting dynamic that poses challenges but also enforces discipline like nothing else I have experiened before.
The most amazing thing, in my opinion, is "Remote work = same pay", of course, it's a great declaration.
It would be awesome to see their next steps
Totally, this is really heating up now. I have a feeling this will pressurise some of the other tech companies in this space too.
This sounds great when "same pay" means NYC + SF
But really it'll become some mean/median value somewhere, to "maximize the labor market" that means you'll only be able to work remotely in the lower 50% of markets :(
I have worked remotely a long time, from large org to startup founder.
I hope that doesn't happen at least not in the big tech companies. Probably not going to happen immediately also though.
Over time the labour market forces might work in the way you are suggesting. Companies that offer equal pay irrespective of location might become more sought after then.
For me, when we changed from office to Work from home, I had to define my new routine, I think is really important to have an order to achieve the most on day by day.
Recently I started reading Atomic Habits by James Clear, that book has been so helpful to organize my weekdays and to make new habits (sometimes taking advantage of the freedom that brings a remote work) I recommend you all the book.
For now, my routine wakes me up at 6:15 am (yeah I know, too early for some people), but gives me the opportunity to have a delicious breakfast and study before to start my work journey at 9 am. After work, I use to read at least 1 hour and enjoy a good time with my family. I believe once I get a fully remote work I'll be able to distribute a little better my time and activities.
Agreed, I think Atomic Habit would be a great book for anyone looking to maintain a healthy work-life balance and keeping their day organized.
I have worked remotely for 5+ years now.
It is really amazing to note the amount of effort you have put in to get the most out of a remote work life.
Work from home life has meant a lot of adjustments and recalculations for me too. Trying to get better at it each day. Indeed, clearly defining the day is quite important. I'm trying to be more granular with my workday so that I know where I might be going off course. Hope that starts helping!
Wow, that could be amazing, I have participated in some training and talks online with more than 20 people there, so the bandwidth with all videos begins to be a problem.
Hope to see Zoom implementing those techniques soon!
(yeah I also have some meets with a lot of friends to have fun, and have issues with video because the number of assistants is not fun :( hahaha )
Yes, this will be particularly useful for having video calls with a large number of participants. Plus, they also plan to add a number of cool features that include filtering out common background noise, conversational AI functionality to allow translations in real-time. Super excited about these!
No experience working remotely before COVID-19.
When salary ranges are provided, they are typically based on the current rate rates for the city or country the company is located. It’s not a fixed rate and is generally very flexible for the right candidates.
Until about a year and a half ago, I was a hiring manager and ran multi-state development teams for large projects. One of the key takeaways was that compensation is a negotiation. The salary ranges companies post are what they would like to pay the person they are hiring. Conversely, when a candidate requests a specific salary, that’s what they would like. If you’re a strong enough candidate, you’ll then negotiate to find terms that make it work it for the both of you.
People typically only focus on the money but should also consider other compensation incentives. How much paid vacation time did they offer? Most companies are more than happy to give you an extra week of paid vacation days if it means they don’t have to increase the salary as much. This equates to a higher quality of life due to less work. If it’s a company that offers equity, they will negotiate an equity package that could end up being far more valuable after a couple years than the extra $10-20k you might be trying to get with salary.
We are a distributed team operating a remote job portal
Thanks, I agree with you, usually, companies offer compensation incentives, right now where I am working, I have some of them. I think those are more important for me:
-paid vacations (at least 20 days/year)
-Budget for my continuos grow (courses, conventions, certifications, etc.)
Are there other incentives I have to take in mind especially for remote working?
Thanks by advance!
Retirement package is pretty big. In the US, companies will typically match a portion of your contributions to a 401k retirement plan.
Profit sharing is sometimes offered depending on the company structure. If they don’t have a profit sharing incentive, inquire about merit-based and year-end bonuses.
Expenses are also something to discuss. If they require you have a land-line telephone or mobile phone, you can usually get that reimbursed (at least partially). You can also inquire about reimbursements / compensation for internet, hardware, office supplies, etc.
Find out the work schedule and how flexible it is. Some companies require you work a very strict schedule while more progressive companies understand developers may not be as productive during the company primary work hours.
Fantastic inputs! Particularly, the point around compensation incentives is a great takeaway :)
I am curious to know more about your thoughts/ experience on this - when you say that compensation is often a negotiation, is this negotiation always against the benchmark of local rates for the candidate? How often have you seen candidates negotiating and end up being paid higher than what they may be offered locally?
That’s a difficult question to answer. It all depends on how desperate the company is to fill the position, how well the candidate meets (and exceeds) the requirements, and whether the company is established enough to justify the additional payroll for a single person.
You also have to factor in that most people don’t even try to negotiate salary. I tell everyone, ask for more than you want. You can always negotiate down but you aren’t going to be able to change your mind and ask for more after you’ve signed the offer letter.
In the US, it’s quite common for excessively experienced people to be offered far over “market rate” for the position they are filling. Often, this is because they have enough overlap that they can fill (at least partially) multiple roles or they are a person that can bring additional value to the company.
I’ve had previous employees get offers far above my own previous salary based solely on the projects and technologies I had them using and their ability to negotiate.
I’ve also been offered nearly double the market rate for the position I was in previously to make a lateral move to another company but that was because my resume is insane and covers most of the technology and business management segments.
Very well put :-)
Thank you for sharing such a detailed response!
Super helpful. I have learnt more from reading these comments than I would have by taking a course on all of this. Thanks @remoteio :)
Great question Samuel. I’ve a hunch what it could mean, but I guess you don’t want a hunch but a solid answer :)
@Borisov91 is the expert in this domain. Hey Boris, can you please help us when you have a moment?
Thank you for the compliment, @karthik :-)
It sounds like something that the company wrote in their job posting (?)
Most likely the meaning is:
They will try to guess what salary you can get on the market (by looking at the salaries in your country), and offer you a bit better salary than that so you are motivated (in practice, something like 20% on top).
The salary range is to indicate what range they are prepared to pay. For example, a company in Germany may be willing to pay up to $4000/month for a mid-level developer (those are the prices in Germany), so they wouldn’t really consider a mid-level developer from the US since that person will expect at least $5000/month.
This is how most remote companies hire in practice. Even if they don’t communicate it.
Some people would say it is totally immoral. Equal work must be equal pay. Regardless of where you are based. Morally, I agree. Some people believe that we are headed to this being the norm.
But to be honest, I find it too idealistic - I don’t think we are headed in this direction. Companies would pay what is needed to get the people they need, and to keep them motivated. Does this mean location-specific salaries? Yes.
Are we going to see more similar salaries across locations over time? Probably yes, but it will take at least 10 years. As of now, remote worker salaries are kind of the wild west. I have seen Junior Developers from poor countries asking for $8,000/month salaries.
For day to day purposes, I stick with what I see to be the reality, and I don’t ask myself too much if the world should re-consider how it does things.
Therefore, the bottom line of this section is - be prepared to negotiate!
If you are willing to insist that you can get a better salary elsewhere (e.g. your current job), and it is in their range, there’s a good chance you can get that.
Yes - about 5 years.
Both as individual contributor, and manager.
Great primer to understanding about remote job salaries! Thanks so much for the detailed answer Boris - you are the best :)
You are welcome, Karthik! :)
Hey @ Borisov91
Thanks for the explanation, it’s very clear and gives me an idea of how it works for remote working!
One of the main purposes I have to look for remote work is the payment. That’s because here in Mexico the salaries range is lower than countries like Germany, the UK or the US.
I have been investigating more Mexicans working on remote jobs but without success yet, I understand sometimes because internet infrastructure, languages or some variables it’s a little bit uncommon for Latin American countries to get remote works.
For this vacancy in specific (https://remotive.io/remote-jobs/software-dev/site-reliability-engineer-240863), is it correct/better to negotiate with their salary range? Or be prepared to receive a lower offer?. (Of course, after demonstrate I have the skills and talent for that job :D)
Thanks again @ Borisov91!
There’s a good chance that you can get a number in the range they’ve listed.
Normally, I would say definitely go for that range - in this case, it’s a bit strange that the range is so narrow.
But yes, I would try to go for the range indeed (unless I need the job asap).
That’s an interesting question! Could you also point us to the relevant post from remote.io for reference?
I have also asked Tony (remoteio), founder of remote.io, about this and should have an update for you soon :-)
Of course, this is the post: https://remotive.io/remote-jobs/software-dev/site-reliability-engineer-240863
Thanks for your help!
Thanks Samuel! I think Boris’s answer is Bang on. The listing talks about a salary range and the company would fix the pay basis where you are located and prevailing market rate there.
Although the good thing about this seems to be that there’s a fixed lower range ($89000) and not a huge difference between the high and low end.
Nice to be here, I am a software engineer. Due to COVID-19 in my company, we started to work remotely three months ago. I’m looking for friends, to learn how to have better remote work experience, and share experiences.
Regards from Mexico city!
(if you decide to visit this beautiful city [once the COVID-19 pandemic end of course], It will be a pleasure for me to be your tourist guide!)
Welcome Samuel - glad to have you here! I am sure you will find a lot of people here to connect to and learn from :-)
Pretty cool! Mexico’s surely on my list of travel destinations now ;-)